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The discussion around "age verification" in systemd/XDG has been largely focused against the California law. But honestly, there's a much deeper problem there. Firstly, the data collected. The questio
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What Internet policy generally amounts to is "here I have a hammer" so "everything is a nail". Such as #AgeVerification right now. "Finally! We can solve the problem!" While a systems analysis will tell you that AV leaves the problem (attention ad markets) entirely intacts.
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I am the owner of # MediaNexus and also serve as the main webmaster here.
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@Crell@phpc.social @timkmak@journa.host As bad as that sounds, I care more so about the #AgeVerification they're pushing down our throats. We got problems at home that need to be fixed. I thought a typical solution to their agenda would not be starting anymore #wars guess that's one more lie to add to the pile of them they've been racking up.
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In case people wanted a 2nd chance to object to a compulsory user account age recording + reporting law (the only people who objected in #California that I have found being only interested in 'gratis'
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Another 2nd chance to tell legislators that the mechanisms that we have inherited from #Unix, and used in loads of #FreeSoftware operating systems from #NetBSD to #Tribblix, do not have date of birth/age fields for user accounts, is #Illinois, where HB5511 is the very same text as #California's, too.
https://my.ilga.gov/Legislation/BillStatus?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=5511&GAID=18&LegID=167486
It really does seem at this point that this is model legislation.
Sponsors in Illionois are Jennifer Gong-Gershowitz, Margaret Croke, Janet Yang, Rohr, Kimberly Du Buclet, Natalie A. Manley, Angelica Guerrero-Cuellar, Rick Ryan, Michelle Mussman, Martha Deuter and Tracy Katz Muhl.
The bill is in the judiciary–civil committee as of yesterday.
It was introduced last month, 1 day after it was introduced in Colorado. I wonder in what other states it has just turned up.
A lobby organization handing pre-drafted bills to multiple sets of legislators is not unknown.
@nileane@nileane.fr @RunxiYu@social.treehouse.systems
#CaliforniaLaw #USLaw #IllinoisLaw #FreeSoftware #AgeVerification
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It concerns #AlpineLinux the same as it concerns every other Linux-based operating system that has a package management utility that talks to a public WWW site.
As I said at
https://mastodonapp.uk/@JdeBP/116156019252249071 and as
@RunxiYu has also said, the statute as written covers all such systems. (It's an Act now, by the way, not a Bill.) Alpine Linux has a covered application store.
Here, for example, is what 'publicly available internet website' apk as the 'software application' uses to 'facilitate the download' of the third-party rustc 'application' from the 'store' in Alpine Linux on the aforementioned #mainframes used by the aforementioned naughty 16-year-olds in #California:
https://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/v3.23/main/s390x/
Yes, #CaliforniaLaw as written is this expansive. Yes, the legislators did not even consider how the BSDs and Linux-based operating systems work. None of the objectors apparently even mentioned how these work.
#rust #USLaw #AgeVerification #GDPR #FreeSoftware #Unix
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I'm inclined to believe that it is indeed the people who don't understand technology (specifically: they think that everything works like their smart 'phone or Microsoft Windows 11 PC do) making policy; or that they did understand the technology and were just crap at drafting legislation such that it could distinguish the Microsoft Store, Google Play, the Apple App Store, et al. from #Ubuntu's package repository and #OpenBSD's ports tree.
And that distinguishing criterion is not #FreeSoftware. Given the aims, the #California legislators would want #FDroid to be required to hand over #AgeVerification data to free-software apps that F-Droid allows, that themselves want to impose age restrictions (on, say, showing certain content to minors) via the route of getting the account holder's age (bracket) information from the operating system via a 'signal' from the 'store'.
https://monitor.f-droid.org/anti-features
#FreeBSD #NetBSD #Debian #CaliforniaLaw #USLaw
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The definitions are broad, so to quite an extent they would. There are users, who have accounts, on general purpose computers, and run applications.
The only hope for #mainframes seems to be that they likely don't have things that fit the definition of a 'covered application store'.
But they might; especially if the mainframe is nowadays running a Linux-based operating system.
http://linuxvm.org/info/distros.html
#Debian and #Ubuntu have package repositories for s390x, for example. Such a repository is a 'publicly available internet website […] that distributes and facilitates the download of applications'.
Here's one way how the naughty 16-year-olds in #California would download rustc onto such a mainframe with no #AgeVerification, for example:
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/s390x/rustc/download
#CaliforniaLaw #USLaw #FreeSoftware #rust
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